Council needs to get monkey off back
Geez, what's the world coming to?
Citizens picketing city hall? Oh me, oh my.
The observer has a couple of observations and one suggestion.
Monroe Transfer wants to settle on a patch of industrial land in the midst of a neighborhood.
Neighborhood residents don't want it.
A few residents apparently do want it.
Some city council members seem like they want it.
Some people fear that Monroe Transfer will sue if they aren't allowed to come into town.
Some people fear that citizens will sue the city if Monroe Transfer comes into town.
Some people think this is an issue that goes beyond economic development and really is a subtle anti-black, anti-poor, anti-east end issue.
The truth is this whole issue came up because it's a throwback to the way the city used to be and not what it should be. No right thinking community puts an industry in the middle of a residential area anymore.
My guess is that deep down inside, almost every council member doesn't really want this thing in the middle of town, regardless of how many or what kind of jobs are promised. It just doesn't make sense.
I don't envy the city council.
But here's an idea. Hold a referendum on the Monroe Transfer issue.
If the majority says it's a good idea, go for it. If not, fight it.
Whatever the outcome, the monkey is off council's back, no one can accuse them of ignoring the prevailing sentiment. No one will accuse them of not listening to the public. It would be, basically, the truest form of democracy.
Anything short of that means a more divided community and the sense that council isn't listening or doesn't care what their constituents think.
It might save some city council members their seats and some face and make their jobs a bit easier.
Then, if the community supports the concept, the city has to make sure it controls the development of the site to make it as least intrusive as possible.
Now, on another matter: I deeply apologize for railing against graffiti in a way that spawned some relatively uncivil exchanges. I really believe in the free exchange of ideas -- even in an in your face and brutal or insensitive fashion. What bothers me is that in an effort to create a dialogue about graffiti, the result was some pretty acrimonious exchanges. I would like to think that anyone who posts on any blogs about the city does so in hopes of making it a better place. But it seems that there's a whole lot of deep-seated pent-up hatred that's poisoning this community. If we could aim some of that anger toward graffiti vandals and others who are degrading the community in a real way, it might actually make a difference.
Citizens picketing city hall? Oh me, oh my.
The observer has a couple of observations and one suggestion.
Monroe Transfer wants to settle on a patch of industrial land in the midst of a neighborhood.
Neighborhood residents don't want it.
A few residents apparently do want it.
Some city council members seem like they want it.
Some people fear that Monroe Transfer will sue if they aren't allowed to come into town.
Some people fear that citizens will sue the city if Monroe Transfer comes into town.
Some people think this is an issue that goes beyond economic development and really is a subtle anti-black, anti-poor, anti-east end issue.
The truth is this whole issue came up because it's a throwback to the way the city used to be and not what it should be. No right thinking community puts an industry in the middle of a residential area anymore.
My guess is that deep down inside, almost every council member doesn't really want this thing in the middle of town, regardless of how many or what kind of jobs are promised. It just doesn't make sense.
I don't envy the city council.
But here's an idea. Hold a referendum on the Monroe Transfer issue.
If the majority says it's a good idea, go for it. If not, fight it.
Whatever the outcome, the monkey is off council's back, no one can accuse them of ignoring the prevailing sentiment. No one will accuse them of not listening to the public. It would be, basically, the truest form of democracy.
Anything short of that means a more divided community and the sense that council isn't listening or doesn't care what their constituents think.
It might save some city council members their seats and some face and make their jobs a bit easier.
Then, if the community supports the concept, the city has to make sure it controls the development of the site to make it as least intrusive as possible.
Now, on another matter: I deeply apologize for railing against graffiti in a way that spawned some relatively uncivil exchanges. I really believe in the free exchange of ideas -- even in an in your face and brutal or insensitive fashion. What bothers me is that in an effort to create a dialogue about graffiti, the result was some pretty acrimonious exchanges. I would like to think that anyone who posts on any blogs about the city does so in hopes of making it a better place. But it seems that there's a whole lot of deep-seated pent-up hatred that's poisoning this community. If we could aim some of that anger toward graffiti vandals and others who are degrading the community in a real way, it might actually make a difference.
10 Comments:
Blog Master (IACO?) -
I want to confirm if I understand your position.
Anytime we have a really tough issue, City Council should refuse to do their job, and just spend 20K to have a vote of all the citizens and majority rules.
That is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
You probably think Bill Clinton was a great president. Have a tough decision? Have a poll and do what that says. Don't have any convictions - don't do what the people elected you to do, do what’s popular at the moment.
I suppose a Mayor could get elected and opt to pick up leafs at the curb, even when a poll paid for by the city showed the majority didn’t want it. You could build splash parks. You could waste money trying to fix intersections that aren’t broke and build roundabouts when roads are falling apart. You could carryout your personal vendettas against local merchants. You could do those things – but maybe only for two years until the people got fed up with the policies and the rubber stamp council that was behind you.
What I would like to see is the City Council and City Manager address the issue of why that property got up zoned. It would seem like a good case exists to fire Laura Kreps. Unfortunately Ben Tallerico already slunk out of town - so it would be hard to fire him. Maybe we can burn him in effigy instead. I guess the same goes for IACO’s buddy Debbie Manns. Why do we protect employees that are lazy and incompetent? Why should we allow the union to protect this type of behavior? Why doesn’t the Monroe Evening News do some non-partisan reporting and tell the truth?
I honestly believe that staff made this mistake out of malice and with the goal of causing trouble for the current council. Put them in a no-win situation for the fun of it to pay them back for getting rid of Debbie and chasing useless Ben out of town. Not professional conduct for a city employee / agent, but then again the alternative of just being incompetent isn’t a very compelling reason to not fire her either.
I respect the decision council made. I think it is in the best interest of the city. It’s not a rich / poor or black / white issue, it is a jobs and tax base issue.
Answer me – what is Monroe going to do when ACH closes? We need to replace those jobs and tax base if we are going to maintain Monroe’s overall quality of life, and address its future needs. A new, modern scrap yard could also actually reduce the blight in the area – not increase it. I am sure the truck and train traffic will increase – but rarely is there a benefit without a tradeoff.
In a utopian world all the tracks and blight would disappear, and we would once again be in the garden of Eden. Unfortunately, even with the best efforts of IACO, Monroe still isn’t a Utopia.
I for one applaud council for making a tough decision, and will support most of them in their re-election efforts.
You have an interesting perspective.
Two questions:
How much do you think the city will spend defending itself against as lawsuit from either Monroe Transfer or upset citizens?
You'll support MOST of their re-election efforts? Most voted against the zoning issue, including Mayor Al who, to his credit, still hears the larger city populace when it speaks.
Regardless, politics has a way of teaching harsh lessons to true believers of all stripes.
BTW, I wasn't a big fan of Bill Clinton, but if I have to compare him to GW? Hmmm.
Citizen's lawsuit? For what? Not teaching their kids to stay out of the streets and to not cross railroad tracks when a train is coming? For leaving the zoning as is? For their kids who have asthma before a new company comes in? Are you nuts? You must be if you think that the City populace spoke. It is very clear that a hundred, or even a thousand people is not a greater number than 25,000. The populace was heard, but they were heard silently.
I think the city won’t have to worry about defending itself from a more or less frivolous lawsuit from the citizens.
When the new Zoning ordinance went through it was done strictly according to all public statutes. The new zoning map was published. Multiple public hearings were held. What was the opposition? Zero. Zilch. Nada. How can the city be sued for up-zoning from I1 to I2 when no one publicly or in writing objected? What are you going to sue for? I was too stupid to know what was going on beside me?
I hope a lawsuit does not ensue with Monroe Transfer. I would rather the city work with them to meet all of the federal, state, local laws, and any additional stipulations that should be added. It is possible for this to work! Why the negativity? The city needs to do a great job on the oversight, and honestly that is worrisome to me since it will probably be done by Laura Kreps who has proven to me she is either totally incompetent or devious, either way I don’t trust her. Hopefully fully capable Pat Lewis will step up and do most of the job himself.
I do respect most of this council with two exceptions. Unlike the last council they are mostly capable of independently analyzing issues, and coming to decisions. The last council was guilty of group think. If IACO had an idea – go with it. That was a bad situation. There were no checks and balances.
I actually do want multiple viewpoints to be heard and considered. All votes shouldn’t be unanimous. This council has done a great job of considering things from multiple view points.
For the record I can’t support Dorothy Edwards for another term. Unfortunately her health and mental facilities are not as good as they once were. It may be a time for new representation from her precinct.
The other member I can’t support is Linda Compora. How can I support an individual who freely slanders other council members and citizens? How can I support an individual who is completely anti business, and doesn’t consider all sides of an issue? She is an embarrassment to herself and this community. I say this not because of her viewpoints – but because of her complete lack of decorum and professionalism. Personal attacks do not belong on the dais. I actually wonder if she is mentally ill given her erratic and irrational behavior.
As far as the comparison between Bill Clinton and George W Bush – there is no comparison. One has convictions, the other has polls. You may not personally agree with GWB, but like IACO he has convictions and doesn’t care who is offended by them. He is going to do what is right in his viewpoint, which is what he was elected to do. Our council has done the same – and we should respect them for it.
I don't think it was rezoned from I1 to I2. I think it was I2 and remained I2. Where's the suit? If someone wanted to rezone it for the neighbor"hood" then it shouuld have been downzoned when North Star Steel operated it in such a bad way.
Some of City Council voted correctly, and some simply based their vote on what they perceived as politically correct. Not what was best for the ENTIRE community.
So let see if I have this straight.
GW is a better president than Bill Clinton because GW is convinced he's right even when eons of history show that he's wrong and MOST of the populace thinks he's wrong.
The Monroe populace was heard SILENTLY?
Citizens WON'T sue?
Citizens are keenly AWARE of what's in zoning ordinances? Gosh, then that means no ones so ill-informed as to not understand that the zoning wasn't changed.
And planners DON'T MAKE errors?
And the MAJORITY of council didn't vote to REDUCE the zoning intensity?
And Mayor Al and Bill Burkett are doing things that are politically correct and not for the good of the commmunity?
And handicapped curb cuts are made so they don't conform to FEDERAL STANDARDS and we do that because we know CITIZENS WON'T SUE? Or if they do, it will be categorized as a frivolous lawsuit that will only cost us $1.5 mil and several years to correct?
Goodness gracious, I learn something new everyday.
We really have to just disagree as to the virtues of the former mayor.
Having the courage of your convictions is one thing. Not having the ability to know where you are coming up short, and the failure to acknowledge reality is another. I'd say that the latter is more appropriate than the former.
It is the opinion of this writer that most lawsuits by individuals against municipalities and manufacturing operations are a mechanism for obtaining money without working for it. This was true, in the writer’s opinion of the class action brought against IKO which was settled without admission of wrongdoing. A councilperson seems to fancy him or her self jousting with environmental windmills to the determent of all. SUE-SUE-SUE!!!
Observer,
Stupidity and ignorance does not mean you can sue somebody, unless of course your name is Linda Compora and the company surrenders and heads back to Canada rather than deal with your irrational behavior.
What Eons are you refering to that prove GW is wrong? The Isrealites have been battling the Philistines for Eons. That is a fact. Better to kill them in their own backyard rather than have them fly our own airplanes into our own buildings.
Or - are you so stupid and unrealistic to think that if we leave them alone they will suddenly love us? They hate us because we represent a free society - not what Allah wants. There is a solution to Tyranny - and it is democracy.
Freedom is not free is not a cliche. It is a fact.
Laura Kreps cannot possibly be as stupid as she acts (perhaps she is) when passing along the developer’s wishes for approval of anything. It is doubtful that Laura or Linda Compora have ever had job worth talking about. Perhaps Monroe Transfer can give them jobs sorting scrap. A small Magnet would be a big help for openers. Linda would need video tape surveillance tapes running on her all of the time in case she claimed an industrial injury and wanted to sue.
Perhaps Cantrick School can be sold to the Bay Mills Charter School System along with IACO & Linda Compora’s cost over run no bid splash pond thrown in for free as useless. I say give it back to the Indians.
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